As momentum requires (June 2013, as the Snowden revelations came out)

At the end of the eighties, beginning of the nineties, the investigative collective 'Ultimatum' in Amsterdam published a bimonthly magazine, eventually called 'the paranoia magazine'.

In 1992 Cecile Landman and Martin Jelsma of 'Ultimatum' went to Hamburg, for an interview with ex-CIA agent Philip Agee.

The old tapes of the interview are now excavated from dusty dark archival depths, and digitized.

Philip Agee (1935-2008) worked as a case officer for the United States Central Intelligence Agency from 1957 to 1968.

In 1975 he published a book about covert operations in Latin America entitled Inside the Company: CIA Diary in order to inform the public about what the U.S. government was secretly doing on behalf of the American people.

“We were right to do it then, because the U.S. policy at the time, executed by the CIA, was to support murderous dictatorships around the world, as in Vietnam, as in Greece, as in Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, Brazil. And that’s only to name a few. We opposed that use of the U.S. intelligence service for those dirty operations. And I’m talking about regimes now that tortured and disappeared people by the thousands.” []

Part 1 - Agee's book


While Philip Agee is in the UK, busy publishing his book Inside the Company: CIA Diary, the triade of director of the CIA George Bush senior, President Gerald Ford and Secretary of State Henry Kissinger made efforts to block Agee. Kissinger made two unannounced trips to the UK, after which the British government served a deportation notice to Agee's home in Cambridge. “The justification for expelling me from Britain was, that I was a threat to the public order and a threat to British national security.” [2:24]

Part 2 - The Netherlands

Agee went through a same process as he had gone through in the UK. After a lost debate in Dutch Parliament, Agee was expelled from The Netherlands in March of 1978. Not only expelled from NL and UK, but also arrested and kept in custody. NATO-allies France, Germany, and Italy refuse him, Norway doesn't let him in. All this under pressure from the US, all with the justification of Agee being a threat to public order. [3:06]

Part 3 – Germany

Agee came to Hamburg from time to time to meet an American woman, a dancer. They married on Agee's last day in The Netherlands. By use of Art. 6 in German law, and a fantastic tourist-bus trip to the Black Forest, Agee managed to secure his stay in Germany. [4:03]

Part 4 – Hamburg. Impact CIA

The Agency set up a Task-force headed by Theodore Shackley to 'limit the damage' and try to determine everything Agee knew about CIA operations. It was decided to close down a considerate number of operations in South-America. Millions of dollars were spent to pay people off. [4:24]

Part 5 - Spain conspiracy

Living in Paris, Agee noticed he was being followed and went to live underground. He was without money. He returned his rented typewriter, in order to obtain the money. Agee had met two young Americans, who lent him a used typewriter and also money. As it later turned out it had a transmitter in it, and the money the two people gave him was CIA money. This money created the conditions for Agee to survive. In the meantime Agee's assassination was being plotted, to take place in Spain. [8:14]

Part 6 – A network for who left CIA and similar services

The Association of National Security Alumni since start in 1988, at the time of the interview contained thirty people from DIA, CIA, DEA, FBI etc. The association published a newsletter. The organization tried to help former agents. Constant lobbying, and contacts with members of Congress. And Lester Coleman as a witness for bombing of Flight 103 over Lockerbie. [2:38]

Part 7 – Covert Interventions

Cold War East-West dimensions shifting into North-South dimensions. Increasing dependence of northern countries on the resources, markets and labor of the south. The need for imposing control and stability in those countries will continue, and will require for the CIA or DIA to intervene. Politically, through media, repression. [2:37]

Part 8 – CIA budget. Shift to 'economic intelligence' and 'intellectual property theft'

After Gulfwar I the lack of human intelligence in Iraq was considered a failure. Human intelligence to be reemphasized. Robert Gates. New money to collect 'economic intelligence'. Copyright theft. Resources as water and minerals in 3rd world countries considered a priority. [4:37]

Part 9 – El Salvador, Nicaragua, and the National Endowment for Democracy

The most useful thing with regard to what will happen in El Salvador after the elections, is to look at Nicaragua. Political think-tanks, research-centers, public relations firms, media, who can be contracted through money provided by the CIA or the National Endowment for Democracy. Trade Unions. Overflights of the villages and areas where the FMLN gather, could be coming from Panama, or from Honduras. Flying low at a high speed to intimidate people? The FMLN complained. It's no secret how US intervention occurred in Nicaragua. [4:35]

Part 10 – US, Catholic Church, Knights of Malta

'Social engineering' and death squads in Latin America, El Salvador. [0:57]

Part 11 – Knights of Malta, Opus Dei, Pope

William Casey, Peter Grace. To create United States style kind of Trade unions. Knights of Malta and Opus Dei supposedly are charitable organizations, but like the pope himself, they are involved in politics every single day. [2:37]

Part 12 – Overestimation input Soviet Union in defense

Since the National Security Act of 1947 theoretically CIA directors are executive arm of the President, but he has to formulate policy on the basis of the Agency's information. And the CIA grossly overestimated the input of the Soviet Union in its defense budget. [2:13]

Part 13 – Old Boy Network, Richard Helms convicted, Chili and the Pike-Church Report

The countries Agee principally worked involved Ecuador, Uruguay and Mexico. For the Agency's role in Chili, Richard Helms was convicted, without paying the prize. The Association of Former Intelligence Officers (AFIO) and people like Ted Shackley. The Iran-Contra-scandal. The House of Representatives committee under Otis Grey Pike and the Senate Commission under Frank Church produced highly controversial reports. CIA's special council: “We will destroy him (Pike) for this.” Pike and Church were both targeted by the right, what became the 'new right' in the US, which was making preparations and getting organized in the 70's for the reelection of Ronald Reagan and the entire program in the 1980's which continues to this day.” [5:17]

Part 14 - An example of how the Intelligence community can influence elections in the US

An enormous cover-up: the Iran-Contra affair. October surprise. American elections. Bush senior, Ronald Reagan. William Casey, a political figure. Jimmy Carter. The Defense budget. Hostages in embassy in Tehran, the weapon-embargo against Iran. And weapons sent to Iran through the Israelis. [7:08]